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Jehovah’s Witnesses and The Mentally Diseased

Submitted by Jaymes on May 15, 2012 - 12:58 pm 22 Comments

Jehovah's Witness Treatment of the Mentally DiseasedBefore I start, I’d like to admit something. My name is not Ben. It is Andrew. I had to keep a false name because of the problems I would have been given by Jehovah’s Witnesses, but now that I am not a Jehovah’s Witness, I frankly don’t care what they think. I am an ‘apostate’ and damned proud of it. Most Jehovah’s Witnesses here in Cyprus seem to treat me like an apostate anyway, as this post will show. In fact, before I became a contributing member of JehovahsWitnessBlog.com, the elders in the Nicosia English Congregation had called me several times to accuse me of being an apostate (they even lied to me in order to get me to a meeting with them). I wasn’t doing any ‘apostasy’ at the time, but the orignal Ben was leaving the JWB team, and it seemed like a good idea to take his place. So here I am, still thankful to the elders for pointing me towards this website. From now on, I’ll post under my real name.

So, let’s begin. In the July 15th 2011 issue of the Watchtower, the Jehovah’s Witness organization called all apostates mentally diseased, which caused quite a kerfuffle. It’s typical cult tactics – rather than address the issues raised by former members of the religion, which they could do if they actually had answers, they resort to foul tactics of running them down instead, in order that the regular Jehovah’s Witness will view apostates as extremely negative.

Yesterday, I went to the supermarket, where a Jehovah’s Witness called Eleni Drousiotis (a loud-mouthed wife of an elder, David, in the Nisou English congregation) bumped into me, my wife, and my kids. She was very friendly, saying hello with a big smile on her face – to my wife. Not to me. No, no, no! You see, I am an apostate! She rudely ignored me as if I wasn’t even there. I have decided that next time a Jehovah’s Witness here in Cyprus decides to ignore me instead of being polite, I’ll make them regret it by embarrassing the holy spirit out of them.

But then I came across an article on the Watchtower’s official website called, When Someone You Love Has a Mental Disorder. Oh goody! Let’s take a look at how Jehovah’s Witnesses should treat a ‘mentally diseased’ person such as an apostate! It might be a small point, but I particularly liked this paragraph:

Stay connected. Communication is vital, even though at times it may seem that your comments are misconstrued. The responses of someone with a mental disorder can be unpredictable, and his or her emotions may seem inappropriate to the situation at hand. Nevertheless, finding fault with the sufferer’s remarks will only heap guilt on top of depression. When words fail, sit quietly and listen. Acknowledge feelings and thoughts without condemning. Strive to remain calm. You and your loved one will benefit if you simply and consistently show that you care. This was true for Matt. A few years later, he expressed his appreciation for those whom he said were “helping me when I didn’t want help.”

Wait a minute! How can this be? So, being mentally diseased means they should avoid me on the one hand, yet this article says they should stay connected and listen carefully. I’d love to have a long discussion with many Jehovah’s Witnesses about their cult and the lies they have shovelled, but I doubt any of them would let me.

On a side-note, where do the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses get off giving advice to people about issues they have no knowledge about. Are they Doctors? Psychologists? Caregivers? Of course not! Their advice could be sound, or it might not be – I don’t know because there are no references to any sources of information that would back up their claims. Surprised? No, neither was I.

Back to the main point. Jehovah’s Witnesses are hypocrites, and a cult. You can tell someone is in a cult when they act in a certain way that is contrary to regular behaviour, and they can justify it to themselves. Of course, we all know it’s very rude to completely ignore someone, not even to say ‘hello’, when they are stood right in front of you, but talk to the rest of their family. We all know that spreading lies about people being ‘mentally diseased’ is hateful. We all know, for instance, that letting a child die rather than give them blood is inexcusable. Try telling that to a Jehovah’s Witness! They make me sick.

 

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  • Louise

    Well I’m glad I came across this page..however its really quite sad reading about others experiences. I was born into it and left when I was old enough as did my 4 siblings. To our horror our parents followed us and became alcoholics who smoke, swear and commit adultery. ‘BRILLIANT’ we all went through being bullied at school, missing out on a normal childhood, waking up petrified in the middle of the night because we forgot to say our prayers, humiliated when our friends answered the door when we were forced to go out preaching. This cult has so much to answer for. I could go on for hours

  • Pete

    Stumbled upon your blog by mere chance but it made my 3 hour wait at an airport lounge interesting.
    What’s even more interesting is that I personally know the people you mention. I grew up on that dreaded island in a family of JW’s. Before my 18th birthday I left both the cult and the family. I’ll spare you the ugly details but for me it was the only way to survive. Long story short, I have been living in a far away land for almost 30 years now and have since reconciled with the family under one condition. No mention or any type of discussion related to JW beliefs is to be brought up while I visit. Yes, it’s sort of ignoring the huge elephant in the room but perhaps the only alternative to shutting them out of my life altogether.
    Blind faith does not leave room for reason with JWs so any type of discussion is pointless. What’s important in my opinion is to tell JW family members what their beliefs and actions have done to you as an individual and how damaging their shunning is to kids and adults.
    My family had the decency to aknowledge wrongdoing (pulling the old card of course that “new light has changed all that”) and that was good enough for me.

    Keep up the good work Andrew. It helps more than you think. Oh, and if you ever want to know more about the people whose names you mentioned in your posting, email me. I’ve got dirt that would knock your socks off!

  • http://www.JehovahsWitnessBlog.com Andrew

    Hi Matt, sorry to hear you struggled because of religion. Welcome to JWB, where most of us understand what you’ve been through as we’ve had the same. Feel free to always communicate your experiences and reach out to the JWB community.

  • MATT MENIN

    I came across ur forum by accident m after reading the comments i became very emotional, i really felt that my lonlyness deep with my physce had just been released, I am 40 years old and left the “truth” 23 years ago, I struggled for about 5 years with “demons” after i turned my back on the society. resulting in many sleepless nights fighting with the demons, my beleifs remained 50/50 for this period, eventually i freed these demons and am now an “apostate” my dark days of cleansing myself from this cult remained deep within myself as i felt no one would understand , infact the nonsense that was in my head at this point could well have got me sectioned .lol
    the only concern in my life is how can i let my family no that what they are doing is so far from the real truth , and they are being fooled
    thx so much for letting me realise that there are others who have experienced the same as Me

  • http://smmcroberts.net Steve

    JW,

    1. Instead of answering our questions, the WT just resorted to name calling (calling us “mentally diseased”), and you’re calling US immature?!

    2. You say “JW is a peaceful religion”. I don’t think it’s “peaceful” to contemplate how you’ll “rejoice” at the destruction of billions of non-JWs. Nor is it “peaceful” to be required to hate apostates. (That’s right: the WT has ORDERED you to “hate, loathe, and detest” anyone who has come to their senses and left your cult.

    3. How do you know what makes “Jehovah god angry”? Does he speak to you directly or via visions, or what? For all we know the thing that really tics him off is a religion calling themselves by his name which makes embarrassingly stupid statements like this one.

    4. The Scripture you quoted (Isaiah 43:10-11) disproves your contention. It states that you are to witness to the fact that there was no god formed after Jehovah. Yet you witness to the belief that Jesus (as “the Word”) is “a god” formed after Jehovah. This is why, when the verse used to appear on the cover of every Watchtower magazine, they only quoted the first part of verse 10. They couldn’t even quote one entire verse of the Bible without giving away one of the many inherent contradictions in their doctrine!

    “Chosen of Jehovah God”? Thanks for the laugh of the day!

  • http://www.JehovahsWitnessBlog.com Andrew

    @JW – It’s a shame that so many Jehovah’s Witnesses know so little about their religion. Try actually reading our articles before dismissing us. You find something we write that is untrue, show us and we’ll retract it. I think that’s a fair deal, don’t you?

    Also, I don’t believe Jehovah exists, but if he did, I still wouldn’t want to worship such an evil being. Have you actually read the Bible where he condones slavery, genocide, infanticide and more?

    And your organization is not chosen by god – no evidence for that, and if so, God must like false prophets (lookup why 1975 was so important in your religion), and people who cover up child abuse (see the New York Times today).

  • JW

    hey !!!.. fellas … stop what are u doing , . . . . . JW is a peaceful religion … i`m also a Jehovahs Witnesses .. if you dont like Jehovahs witnesses . it means you make JEhovah god angry .. and as the matter of fact.,. the last days of the world is nearer .. why wont u become serious .. and please be matured ,, becoz as i saw the message of urs ,,, i tell u the truth u are not matured ,,, all of u …

    for me i believe in Jehovah .. and this organization is the one of the chosen of Jehovah God .. isaiah 43:10-11

  • DeRanged Jdub

    I have been on the line for a long time now. Everyone will have a specific pet peeve or stumbling block. So with that all I can say is that lately… Since before the Memorial this year… Everything from the platform is more and more intense – almost hysterical. Everything coming from the platform is more controlling, and manipulative. I am dreading both the special day, and the district convention this year! I don’t have an issue with the behaviors – like when it comes down to it there is no forgiveness or love, or the ability to ask questions. My issues are doctrinal. Mentally ill? oh you must be demonized. The fruit that Eve wasn’t allowed to eat? That was the ability to think for yourself…

  • http://www.JehovahsWitnessBlog.com Andrew

    @Daniel7: How convenient. So when something bad happens, it’s human error. When something good happens, thank Jehovah! He can never lose, can he?! Just have patience until god sorts it out… and in the meantime, the congregations protect child molesters and more innocent people die by being denied blood transfusions. When will you people learn? Your god is immoral and cruel. In your own bible he condones genocide, infanticide, slavery and more. I am glad that he doesn’t exist, and even if he did, I would not want to worship such a capricious and evil being.

  • Daniel7

    @LaDovia: Your right. Not all congregations are the same. Some are horrible. I was in what I call “The Congregation from hell” for 12 years. Even when Israel was burning its children alive Jehovah God still used Israel. Jehovah was on it and did clean out the bad apples. Our responsibility is to have as good a relationship with Jehovah God as we can and preach as much as we can. He will take care of the rest.

  • http://www.JehovahsWitnessBlog.com Andrew

    @LaDovia: Thanks for the comment. I agree that not every Jehovah’s Witness is the same, and we don’t judge each one as the same. Jehovah’s Witnesses, even if they are good people, are taught directly by the Watchtower Society to shun people, or deny blood treatment to their children. The majority of JWs follow these rules. Each individual may or may not agree, but if they say they disagree out loud, they get problems from the elders and can even be disfellowshipped for it.

    Thing is, there may be many groups that do good things, but have one or two things that I disgree with. So, I do not become a member of such a group, nor do I go out recruiting for more members. My moral outlook tells me that if I disagree with a group, I should not promote it, support it and identify myself with it. Likewise, any Jehovah’s Witness who knows something is wrong with the religion and doesn’t follow the rules is either trapped because it is a cult and they could lose their friends and family, or they are hypocrites. I don’t see another option, but I am open to suggestions.

    I hope you see the point. Finally, a smaller point, I haven’t seen one JW say something like, “please don’t judge all atheists by the ones you have encountered,” when the Watchtower called all atheists militant, or ‘mentally diseased’. There is a disconnect here.

  • http://www.JehovahsWitnessBlog.com Teeny

    @LaDovia,

    Thanks for the comment.

    Is it “stereotyping” when all Jehovah’s Witnesses are meant to allow their child to die instead of providing a simple blood transfusion that can save its life? Is it “stereotyping” to say that Jehovah’s Witnesses are to shun their children, siblings, parents and friends if these ones have a different views to them, e.g. disfellowshipped?

    Is there a difference between judging someone based on their race and someone who is in a cult? I’ll let you answer that.

    Regards,
    Jaymes Payten

  • LaDovia

    I grew up as a Jehovah’s Witness but stopped going when I was able to make my own decisions. I may not agree with everything they teach or believe, but I do know that not every congregation is the same. And not every Jehovah’s Witness is the same. It’s all about the person and how they perceive what they hear. Not all Jehovah’s Witnesses are the same. You have some who are nasty to everyone, including to other Witnesses. There are some who put on faces. And then there are the ones who are polite to everyone even to non-Witnesses. They even have friends outside of the ‘Truth’ and have not been disfellowshipped.

    How can you expect someone to understand you when you don’t understand them? That goes for everyone in this world, including Jehovah’s Witnesses. Like I said, not all congregations are the same. So please don’t judge all Jehovah’s Witnesses by the ones you have encountered because not all of them feel the same. That’s like judging someone because of the color of their skin or because of the things they don’t have or the fact that they don’t smile enough to suit you, etc.etc. If one black, Asian, white, Hispanic, or any other race, acts one way, does that mean everyone of that race acts the same way? No, it doesn’t. It’s called stereotyping.

    So, please don’t judge all Jehovah’s Witnesses by the one’s you have encountered. Thank you.

  • http://www.JehovahsWitnessBlog.com Andrew

    @Daniel7: *yawn* another scripture quoting. Seen it, heard it, bought the T-Shirt. Means nothing to me unless you can prove it is from god. But even if it were, this scripture just basically proves the point that religious people have already chosen what is true and will believe it even if the evidence indicates otherwise.

  • Daniel7

    NWT
    1 Timothy 6:4 he is puffed up [with pride], not understanding anything, but being mentally diseased over questionings and debates about words. From these things spring envy, strife, abusive speeches, wicked suspicions,

    – Revised Standard
    1 Timothy 6:4 he is puffed up with conceit, he knows nothing; he has a morbid craving for controversy and for disputes about words, which produce envy, dissension, slander, base suspicions,

    – International English
    1 Timothy 6:4 he is boastful. He doesn’t understand anything; he is sick. He likes arguments and fights about words. Jealousy, fighting, words against God, and evil thoughts occur.

    – Living Bible
    1 Timothy 6:4 Anyone who says anything different is both proud and stupid. He is quibbling over the meaning of Christ’s words and stirring up arguments ending in jealousy and anger, which only lead to name-calling, accusations, and evil suspicions.

    – Weymouth’s New Testament
    1 Timothy 6:4 he is puffed up with pride and has no true knowledge, but is crazy over discussions and controversies about words which give rise to envy, quarrelling, revilings, ill-natured suspicions,

  • http://www.cultbrainwashed.com.au Dale

    Its not so much the average Jw that i dont like. Its the WBTS and the di**heads in Brooklin i loath.

  • http://www.JehovahsWitnessBlog.com Andrew

    @Jacqui – Thanks for your comment. I am so sorry for the problems the JWs gave you and your family. That’s exactly why we run this site – to raise awareness of how destructive and dangerous the cult is. We’ve certainly been able to help a fair few people either stop studying with them, or leave them.

    @Terti – You are right – Jehovah’s Witnesses are experts at making people feel bad. There is a lot of anecdotal evidence (I haven’t researched this in depth, yet) to suggest that there is a high percentage of Jehovah’s Witnesses who are depressed or on anti-depressants and that the suicide rate is extremely high – one of the highest of any religious group. Like I said, don’t take my word for it as I need to check the evidence, but I wouldn’t be surprised. All the meetings are on about how ‘you’re worthless and not doing enough for the organisation’. Thanks for commenting!

    @Dizzy – When it happens, I’ll be sure to let the JWB followers know!

  • Dizzy

    I’m hoping you do bump into another witness now just so we can hear the article “Embarrassing the holy spirit out of a Witness”

  • Terti

    JWs make me sick, too. They’re so good at making other people feel bad instead of good and they are all living in a fairytale land where nothing is real…people who are bad are innocent as a toddler!

  • Jacqui Yapp

    I am proud of you Andrew. I was also raised in the *cult* and it resulted in me to now suffer now with G.A.D which is a mental health anxiety condition, and was caused in my case, by severe fear and trauma during childhood, so well done to the cult for not only being responsible for many deaths over the blood issue, but also responsible for many people, whose mental health has been severely affected. How can that be even classed as LOVE, from a parent, to abuse especially a childs mental health and control them like robots. It’s not love it’s power and control. Then after we dare to fight back by asking questions, or wanting proof and have answers we discover along the way that dare to question their beliefs, we get spat out and ignored like trash, disgusting behaviour by devout god loving people, I am no longer a victim, I am free. They are not love thy neighbour people, they are love their own kind only people.

  • http://www.JehovahsWitnessBlog.com Andrew

    Glad you liked it, mate. Good luck breaking free from the cult.

  • http://www.JehovahsWitnessBlog.com Teeny

    Great article Andrew.

    I’ve also asked to be disassociated. Ive so far sent text messages, emails, Skype IM’s and written on JWB about my predicament, yet they allow me to continue on as a Jehovah’s Witness.

    The chief honcho, John Taliadoros, replied to my text today and told me to write him a letter and sign it if I want to be classed as disassociated. Or, he said, I could seek “spiritual assistance.” I didn’t know there was a spiritual assistance helpline. We must get one setup on JWB mate!

    Regards,
    Teeny Pyjamas

    P.S. I’m sending this from my phone, therefore if there are typos, you’ll understand why…