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Jehovah’s Witnesses don’t Mourn the Aurora Victims
Submitted by Teeny on July 23, 2012 - 10:57 am 61 Comments
Hi guys. As a lot of you know, I left “The Truth” in 2009. I am not disfellowshipped yet, but have no association with the Witnesses. I do though, have various conversations with my mother-in-law, who – even though she has no idea why 607 B.C.E. bears any relevance to her religion – still goes.
Yesterday, she contacted the wife and I and wanted to share the terrible news relating to the Aurora victims. As I am sure you know, 12 people died when a lone gunman thought it prudent to start shooting at everyone during a midnight screening of The Dark Knight Rises.
Before I get into the conversation with my mother-in-law, I wanted to let you know that every now and then, the Watchtower Society creeps up and manages to surprise me. I am sure this still happens to you to. Even though I’ve been out of their clutches for three years, I am still startled by the things this cult teaches within its churches (or if you want to use the JW Loaded Language Dictionary – Kingdom Halls).
Prior to my mother-in-law calling, we were watching the news and saw various religious leaders from around the world and from different religions giving their condolences. “Our prayers are with the families of the victims and our hearts go out to them,” said Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr. Rowan Williams. Archbishop Samuel Aquila and Auxiliary Bishop James Conley of the Catholic Church said “As Catholic bishops, we ‘weep with those who weep.”
What message did the Watchtower Society have? My mother-in-law told us the following:
“At the meeting in the public talk today, the Elder told us about the killings in America. I knew about it because I saw it on the news already. I was very shocked by what he said though. He said:
“Brothers and Sisters, how many times has Jehovah’s Organisation told us to look after our young children? Those that died in the Aurora shootings were out at midnight to watch a film about a vigilante. To my knowledge, no Jehovah’s Witnesses were harmed because no Jehovah’s Witnesses were present. The world puts things out on a plate for us and our children and we are free to take what we want. But Brothers, there are consequences. If the parents of these victims had educated their children theocratically, the shooter would have been staring into an empty auditorium.
“Let us continue educating our children in Jehovah’s theocracy. After all, Jehovah wrote this guidebook for us. He knows what’s best for us and our little ones. So Brothers, keep on the watch, for Satan the Devil uses many cunning devices. Let us make sure we and our children are never engaging in worldly activities. How would you feel if you were one of the victims parents?”
Pardon me if I am wrong, but that was quite a stone cold retort from a religion that says its foundations are built on love.
My mother-in-law went on a bit, but I had heard enough to be truly surprised. So many religious leaders from around the world are leaving their condolences, yet the Jehovah’s Witness hierarchy is using what happened as an example of how to better control its members.
The thing that shocked me the most was that this was a public talk. An outline was given by the Society and the Elder prepared the talk based on the points Head Quarters gave him. Yet he managed to add a whole new section ‘to give a witness.’
Do you now see why people like me refer to the Jehovah’s Witnesses as a cult?
Next time you’re in Aurora, Colorado, walk into a bar, restaurant, or hell, knock on someone’s door and tell them that if the victims were Jehovah’s Witnesses, there would be no victims. If you’re not a victim by the time you finish your sentence, I’ll be pleasantly shocked.
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Our hearts go out to the families of the Aurora victims that tragically lost their lives on Friday morning. We hope the injured victims pull through and make a full recovery.
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Teeny Reply:
July 23rd, 2012 at 11:41 am
Also, after the meeting, this Elders wife also had her bit to add. She told my mother-in-law that “this presents an excellent opportunity for the Brothers and Sisters in Aurora now.” And something like (I am paraphrasing here…) “Satan tried to cause disruption, but from this darkness, Jehovah will show these people the light.”
By “these people”, I am pretty sure she’s talking about the Aurora victims families and friends.
It sickens you, doesn’t it?
Regards,
Jaymes
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Kim Reply:
July 24th, 2012 at 1:44 am
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BEN Reply:
July 24th, 2012 at 8:40 am
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Andrew Reply:
July 24th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
I usually try not to get insulting at comments, but I can’t help myself this time. What a disgusting thing to say! Do you not realise how vile your comment is? What if the movie had been Ice Age? Would that have made a difference as to how horrible the shootings were? What if a relative of yours had been there? Don’t be so distasteful! Shame on you. You are an example of how religion can make a good person say or do something completely horrible.
Your comment is also incorrect as per Jehovah’s Witness doctrine (I assume you are a JW) – god does not protect Jehovah’s Witnesses as individuals, but as a group, according to the Watchtower.
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Steve Reply:
July 24th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
I too wish there was less violence seen as entertainment in the movies. But this is not a time for discussion about the content of the movie these people were going to see! Bringing that up in this context is both insensitive and, I fear in your case hypocritical.
As you well know, the Bible is chock-full of violence, including graphic accounts of genocide committed by the “heroes of the Bible”. It contains much more violence than any movie I have ever seen. Also, movies are make-believe: the violence is not real, whereas the accounts in the Bible are taken by believers to be historically accurate accounts to which they implicitly give their stamp of approval.
If they made a movie about the Bible and showed the Israelites hacking open pregnant Canaanite women with their swords would you denigrate the people who went to see it for approving of violence? If a madman shot the movie-goers would you maintain that they, in effect, had it coming to them for having attended a violent movie?
I guess you won’t be going to the Kingdom Hall then anymore to associate with people who read, discuss, and approve of such violence.
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Sarah Reply:
July 30th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
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But That elders logic says the woman who is raped going to work should have stayed home.
So we are all protected in the Kingdom Halls are we? Ask that young woman from California who just won the court case.
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Anna Reply:
July 23rd, 2012 at 8:03 pm
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I was just making the comparison yesterday on my page between Dubs and the Westboro Baptist Church. The JW Cult is much more insidious than the WBC because it does evil under the guise of love, compassion and the lie that this is what Jehovah God wants us to do, and think and feel.
I got out after 40 years. My kids got out a few years later. It’s a horrible, sickening, heartless organization that shows no fellow feeling for human suffering.
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Chris Reply:
July 23rd, 2012 at 11:41 pm
they’ve been saying that for years and nothing has happend. they say “no one knows the day or hour” pretening to the end of the world, so how can they know?
If you are of age where you can make your own decesions, just dont go. I left at the age of 17. I’m 22 now. my family relationships are rough but hey, at least I don’t suffer anymore. At least not in this case.
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Sakura Reply:
July 24th, 2012 at 7:31 am
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Steve Reply:
July 24th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
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Oh, but they are such a “loving” group!
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I am rambling, but so what. I have no affiliation to the link , I just thought it was very interesting info and wanted to share. http://christiananswers.net/q-aiia/aiia-top10cults.html …JDUBS MORE DANGEROUS THAN KKK… WOW!
Love your site, and it is the only one I really follow.. the rest of the ex-Jdub sites tend to be on the BOO HOO side.. and I want to live my new life w/ no regret or bitterness.. Learned a lot and nope don’t want to dwell on it! Thanks for your site!
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That was over 20 years ago now, and I have never, ever regretted walking away.
Thanks for this post, so well written. Terribly sad. I’ll share, bec ause this cult need to be exposed.
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Chris Reply:
July 23rd, 2012 at 11:45 pm
good thing you left. I was raised as one and left when I was 17. I’m 22 now. While i still struggle with making friends (since I had 0 growing up since my focus on on jehovah) at least I don’t have to worry about getting up early sunday mornings and going to the meetings to hear BS about this.
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When I got home, I jumped online. I starting hearing more details, seeing victim’s faces. Learned the youngest victim was a six-year-old little girl. I started to cry.
After I calmed down, I started sharing details of what the police had learned about the shooter with my mother.
Do you know what she said?
“I don’t want to hear anything else about it. That’s why I’m glad I don’t go to the show anymore. There’s nothing good. The first thing I wondered, was if any friends were there”.
I bit my tongue and walked away.
Same thing an elder said when he learned about Candice Conti.
“It’s to be expected”.
This is what happens when you brainwash and condition seven million people into believing that tragedy is inevitable before it springs into worldwide anarchy, and gives them persecutory complex to boot.
Compassion? Love? Sympathy?
Those things can become scarily non-existent in a community that wants the world to end soon so badly that they will latch on to anything as a “sign of the times”.
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She laid a guilt trip on me saying l was ‘cursed by Jehovah, cursed by the Holy Sprit, cursed by the Bible for having done so. Really?
I responded that l was a formally disfellowshiped J.W. and that l don’t abide by their heneous priciples or ‘rules’. Have’nt for 20 years. I told her l did’nt want anything to do with her or her ‘cult’. I feel good for that sane decision.
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Deranged jdub Reply:
July 24th, 2012 at 4:34 am
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noh8inmyheart Reply:
August 12th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
That’s far more preferable than spending the evening singing Kingdom Songs to a guitar accompaniment and I was forced to do many times when I was in the cult.
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Deranged jdub Reply:
July 24th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
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I saw it on news myself and the WTS are sick, sick people! They think it was those innocent people’s fault just for watching a movie, was something they asked for or expected at that time? JWs don’t know what they are talking about and as if the shooter would be staring in at an empty cinema room! Fantasy talk. JWs loaded language is nothing but fantasy talk, so they don’t know what is real any more. They make sick to my stomach! How dare they not show any sympathy for these innocent people! If it were me, what do you think my JW sister would be feeling right now, if I was there and survived the shooting by an injury? Would she listen to her JW friends talk her “down” about it as if it was my fault the Joker shot me or she’d have (hidden) sympathy for me? =S :3
Sorry, I’m just angry…but my last question there is an example, IF I were there. :3
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Andrew Reply:
July 24th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
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Teeny Reply:
July 24th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
http://www.jehovahswitnessblog.com/jw-education/the-watchtower-society-is-pro-education/
Regards,
Teeny
PS. Tickets to the Birds Eating My Eyes Out show are now on sale. Be quick though as there’s limited seating.
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Andrew Reply:
July 24th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
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Steve Reply:
July 24th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
I re-read Teeny’s post, and nowhere in there does he mention God’s name except when referring to the name of your group. So please tell us how God’s name was dragged in the mud by Teeny’s post.
“Slanderous defamation” is rather a redundant phrase since slander is one form of defamation. Slander is spoken. What Teeny posted was written and so could not be slander. Defamation is the communication of false information stated as a fact which brings harm to an individual or an entity. Please tell us what information was given that was false. If nothing Teeny stated was false, then you owe Teeny an apology for your false accusation.
If anyone could be accused of defaming God’s name it would have to be a group calling itself by God’s name who make outrageously insensitive statements like “they deserved to be shot for going to a violent movie”.
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Bonnie Reply:
July 24th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
Oh and Jewel and shuly, what does your organization tell you about talking to apostates or visiting apostate sites? Why should we listen to a Witness who can’t even obey their organization’s instructions?
Now here’s a fun little mental activity for you both: it’s called spot the conflation.
Criticism of the Watchtower (a man made organization) is not the same as defaming god.
Please repeat that to yourselves until it manages to sink in. Kthxbai!
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It takes a certain kind of mentally and emotionally crippled mind to continue on as a Jehovah’s Witness. That doesn’t mean the average JW is a bad person, just severely ill.
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I remember being a JW and we would scoff at funerals where they said “God took my baby” because we were told that God doesn’t “take” people, but “time and circumstance befalls them all .” Now they are saying they would have been protected by being JW’s… yeah right!! Never worked before and they preached that for a long time. Hypocrates!!!
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And that includes the WTS, and by extension, every mislead JW on the planet. The reproach brought upon God’s Name by the WTS/JW’s is a travesty! And they’ve been doing that for 120 years. If the individuals enslaved by that organization don’t wake up to the pseudo-religious manipulation, they’re destined to follow their blind masters into the same black pit.
Love is the defining characteristic of God’s people. The lack of love and compassion for the victims in Colorado speaks volumes to the spirituality of the JW’s. All you have to do is open your mouth and regurgitate what you’re fed, and the evidence becomes crystal clear.
So, who’s fault is it that you’re in a false-religious cult serving a man-made god (WTS)?
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Jws preach about love and forgiveness, are they really practising what they preach when they are resposible for breaking up thousands of families? When thousands of children live in fear of being abused again and again is that love?
The problem with jws is that they are very quick to blame other people for their problems but when something bad happens to them they say its a sign of testing.
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Harold Reply:
August 1st, 2012 at 6:16 pm
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Nico Reply:
September 6th, 2012 at 1:39 am
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Back in 2006, I had sex with someone… she told. I got in trouble — things were gong fine and I was brainwashed to believe I should work harder.
Instead, after going out in “field service” for 20+ hours per month, building myself up… after 10 months, I still was an outcast. Was given no privileges back. One of the “elders” even went home and told his wife and son what I did and who I did it to — apparently the woman was a family friend so they were upset about it.
News spread that I slept with this woman, and before you know it, people were whispering and made my life hell!
I went through SERIOUS depression, drinking heavily, contemplating suicide and needing to go to therapy… Then one day, I moved across country and asked myself “Why would a loving God allow this? I thought I was raised to believe that Gods spirit governs this organization… so why is he allowing this?”
Then it hit me…. BECAUSE IT’S NOT GOVERNED BY GOD’S SPIRIT!!!!
I left permanently, and I am so friggin happy!!!!! i smile daily. I don’t need prozac. I don’t drink… I’m truly happy!
My parents keep calling me to come back… I tell them Im grown and make my own decisions… then ask them “don’t you care that your son is happy?”
Their response “Not without the organization…”
Yes, it’s a CULT.
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It reminds me when I brought a friend from HS to a small Monday night meeting, we were in our early 20s, & the Elder late 40′s started making jokes about how great it would be to give out the latest WT @ funerals if the cemeteries hadn’t posted those pesky “No Soliciting” signs . Really ambushing people at funerals while they weak with grief is what he & the Mist Assist were talking, not jokingly, about. I was surprised & embarrassed. She was rightly disgusted. I had to get my WT CD out to prove to the other Elders this was unacceptable on their own terms & had been covered years before. They told me the would not be talking with him, nor would he be recovering the topic but I could write a talk on it myself & give it up front. I wrote one but never gave it. I felt the Elders there were misleading people but I’ve some to realize it’s the WT faith itself that’s misleading. I heard that within months of my 2nd hiatus from meetings “Bethel” came out & that Hall closed. Everyone was redistricted. Really was vindicating because I had been praying for that the whole time!
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What a moron to make such statements! Instead of acting like the victims were in the wrong, why not give a talk in which JWs are encouraged to emulate the examples of those who put themselves in harm’s way to protect others that night. There were true heroes there that night, and nobody has the right to act superior to such fine human beings.
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